ogham where you live?

topic posted Wed, December 27, 2006 - 2:40 PM by  gorma cu
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so how do we relate the ogham and its trees to the trees where we live? there are no pecans or osage orange in the celtic lands, my white oak is different to the oaks in the isles so how does the system of ogham relate to the trees in our surroundings. this is the hardest part for me to comprehend. if they dont mesh than it seems useless to call on this power. kinda like calling isis in the yuacatan.
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gorma cu
Arkansas
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    Re: ogham where you live?

    Sun, March 11, 2007 - 6:37 AM
    Just focus on the sacredness of the trees...it's not so important that your not surrounded by the types of trees...it's the ancient knowledge that is in our blood. We are on the same planet...the power is everywhere.
  • Re: ogham where you live?

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 2:14 PM
    I have recently been mediating under some Arbutus trees (which has since become my personal spirit tree, though the Ash still holds a high and lovely place) and I intend to make my own Ogham character for the Arbutus. I think the Ogham can be personalized and added to depending on who you are and where you live.
    • Re: ogham where you live?

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 2:20 AM
      Also perhaps consider the ecology of your local tree population. Does a given native tree hold a position similar - e.g. as growing on riverbanks or as part of the understorey in woodlands - to any of the trees in the traditional collection? Then that tree could be said to be equivalent.
  • Re: ogham where you live?

    Thu, March 13, 2008 - 9:45 AM
    I've wondered about this myself as it bears directly on the application of Gaelic lore to diasporic living.

    The only course that makes sense to me is to really immerse oneself in the Ogham system and the tree-lore so that we start to see what it was that first formulated the system in the first place. See, Ogham predates modern scientific classification, so it served as such at the time. Our modern system of classification may not agree with Ogham because it was based on material, morphological differences while Ogham was based on such differences but also included the extensive lore that we consider spiritual or incorporeal (take a look at the system of tree- hierarchies where the Oak is chief and bushes are considered commoners). The way Ogham classifies trees may group Pecan trees in with Oaks based on their fruit, and oranges with apples because their fruits are more similar than not. I don't know. LIke I said, I've not really followed through on this yet.
    • Re: ogham where you live?

      Mon, March 17, 2008 - 10:37 AM
      Your post reminds me of this curious observation, Morchú:
      Looking at Fionn's Window from the Book of Ballymote, which arranges the Ogham characters in five concentric circles, the trees pertaining to each character fall into the following superorders (or subclasses). I have numbered the groups 1 - 4 starting at the top of the Window and working clockwise. The characters are taken from the outside in.

      Group 1: Rosid Rosid Rosid Rosid Asterid
      Group 2: Rosid Rosid Asterid Rosid Rosid
      Group 3: Rosid Rosid Rosid Rosid Asterid
      Group 4: Conifer Rosid Asterid Rosid Conifer

      As they lie in the window, the pattern of group 1 is a mirror image of the opposite group, group 3. And except for the fact that the first and last in group 4 are conifers (which itself creates a symmetrical pattern within the group) the pattern of group 2 is a mirror image of the pattern of opposite group 4.

      Group 2 also shows a symmetry of orders that reflects the pattern of group 4:
      Rosales Fagales Aquifoliales Fagales Rosales

      Of course, this could be coincidental, and these are modern taxa unknown to the scholar or scholars who wrote the Book of Ballymote, in which Fionn’s Window first appears, towards the end of the 14th century CE. But they do of course correspond to actual differences in the structure of the plants/trees. There’s no way of showing that the pattern isn’t coincidence, but it does suggest that, just possibly, the order of the trees is not arbitrary.
      • Re: ogham where you live?

        Mon, March 17, 2008 - 1:02 PM
        During my Ovate studies in OBOD, I am encouraged to commune with the trees and collect an ogham set. I had collected 19 of the 20 classic oghams before i even joined a Druid order, so, now I am working on a Colorado set. It includes and will probable include the following: Bristlecone pine, our oldest living tree, some up to 2000 years old, the Cottonwood, our large stately oak-like tree, lodgpole pine, from which the pioneers built their homes, ponderosa pine with its butterscotch smell, juniper, from which we can make gin!, elms, aspens that live in commmunities, colorado blue spruce, the state tree, russian olives, although imported abound and are a symbol of peace, sage aplenty, and more. What trees woud you select from your state?
        Peace, Iannin
  • Re: ogham where you live?

    Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:38 AM
    a friend of mine uses ogham and recently asked this same question as he has been journeying with me throughout Houston, Tx for a Yew Tree for making runes. I've also recently decided to delve into the Scandinavian Shamanism which appears all the rage now. We haven't been so lucky in finding much yet except two that were very small. But if you see Houston you'll notice that the Oak is what mound which this city sits. After thinking about it this way I now want to make multiple sets of runes. One set of a Yew which may be used for "Thy Self" and a set from a Houston Oak for more use towards helping others, here.